Post One:
"Posted: Monday, 19 May, 2008 13:15
Subject: TOBS Creams
I am really interested in these creams, despite my having told myself NOT to buy any more creams. Alas! I am powerless over my SCAD!
Never the less, I should like to know some thing: How long have you had the creams and have they dried at all?
I live in Canada, but if I do make the purchase, I would hope that you would absorb any additional shipping fees (you seem to already have included them in the cost, after all). If not, kindly let me know how much more it will cost.
David."
Post Two:
"Posted: Monday, 19 May, 2008 13:35
Subject: Re: TOBS Creams
dmikel wrote:
"I bought all but two of the creams direct from Taylors in Britain in March of this year and the other two, Lavender and Eton about a month ago from Vintage Blades. The ones from Taylors are full as can be and dense. I've not seen any sign of dehydration."
Very nice.
dmikel wrote:
"Before I go through all that trouble, why don't you tell me how much more you're willing to pay to ship to Canada and we'll go from there."
Ten dollars. I think that that would be sufficient.
Thanks for replying so quickly."
Post Three:
"Posted: Monday, 19 May, 2008 14:49
Subject: Re: TOBS Creams
dmikel wrote:
"I packed it up and according to my bathroom scale your $10 offer is just right. Depends what the post office scales say though but it's close enough."
Good guess on my part! :D
dmikel wrote:
"Please send $100 to paypal
dmikel33@yahoo.com"
Ah. I'm afraid that I do not own a credit card, so paypal is a bit... impossible. Would a money order be sufficient?
One last thing: I looked on qedusa.com to see for how much they are selling TOBS. Each jar is listed as 13.50. You, though, are offering them to me at 15.00 each. That is why I had presumed that you had included shipping (6 * 13.50=81 + 10 (shipping) = 91, which is what you were asking).
So, if you offer the creams to me for 90 US (subtract a dollar for the some of the creams for having been used), I will take them. I'm not trying to rob you; if you think that this is unfair, please tell me. I REALLY want these creams, but I also do not wish to over-pay: I'm not the richest of chaps. :)
dmikel wrote:
"I'll be going to town Wednesday so won't go out till then. Hope that's okay."
Not a problem.
Do let me know your thoughts. If you believe that my proposals are to much of a bother, I have no doubt that there are others already lined up to acquire your TOBS.
Cheers."
Post Four:
"Posted: Monday, 19 May, 2008 15:13
Subject: Re: TOBS Creams
dmikel wrote:
"Add clearly states paypal. Pretty much I think you're just screwing around to see what you can get me to agree to. I'm no longer interested in selling to you."
In fact, I had not noticed the paypal requirement. And no, I am not trying to screw with you; I'm not that sort of person. I offered evidence to support my proposal, which I encourage you to verify independantly.
But, fair enough. I am sure that you shall sell your wares to a more willing buyer.
Thanks any way."
Post Five:
"Posted: Sunday, 25 May, 2008 16:51
Subject: Let's clear the air
I hope that your recent post to the selling / trading thread was not directed at me. If so, I feel obliged to defend myself.
Firstly: I was not aware that haggling is forbidden. It seems to me that over thousands of years, a would be purchaser and the owner of the wares have always negociated prices. The owner asks for one thing, the purchaser says pfui, the owner lowers and the buyer raises until a price is reached to which both sides can agree.
Secondly: I made an enquiry. I did not state that I was categorically going to purchase. I said I was highly interested. You asked what shipping price I would be willing to pay and I replied. But before I even agreed to the price and that I did want the wares, you assumed that the deal was done. Perhaps my writing was (is) ambiguous. If so, I appologise. I countered (see above), though, with a reasonable proposal. I offered the reasons behind my proposal and indeed encouraged you to confirm or refute my thoughts. I was quite willing to accept that you had paid more than the price at which qedusa.com were offering the creams and were simply selling your creams with out the intent to profit. There is a precedent: One chap from whom I bought some Coates creams was selling them for substantially more than what is listed on qedusa.com. I asked why this was and he earnestly answered that, firstly, the site was out of date and that secondly, he had paid more and was selling them to me merely to recuperate his purchasing money. Had you told me some thing of this sort, I would gladly have accepted this and proably would have made the deal. But you did not. Instead, you became rather angry, thinking I was out to swindle you and make you lose money. Let me say this as clearly as I can: I was not trying to rob you. I was not trying to cheat you out of your money or your goods. I was curious as to why you were selling them for more than the afore-mentioned site and was hoping that you would give a simple and truthful answer. No more, no less.
Thirdly: I was under the impression that you had factored the cost of shipping in to the price of the six creams. There is precedence: I bought creams and a soap from a chap who had factored in shipping costs. When I informed him that I was in Canada, he simply deducted the factored-in shipping charges and substituted them for the appropriate ones. This was another reason that I offered the proposal.
Fourthly: Your creams have been used, albeit very slightly. It would seem to me that when selling a used product, the price should be decreased from the original cost. At a garage sale, one expects to find lower prices than at, say, a furniture store, However, I am willing to throw this point out the window, as the selling / trading thread is not, in fact, a garage sale.
Fifthly: You refused my method of payment, citing the fact that you had demanded Paypal be used; and rightly so. I truly did not note this in the original listing. I do appologise for that over-sight. I have since acquired a Paypal account so that such an over-sight need never again occur.
I have given you the explanation which I feel you deserve. If you think that I have not sufficiently explained myself, please tell me where I should clarify and I shall do so immediately. I wish for no enmity to exist between the two of us. I have given you this PM in the hopes that we shall be able to settle this matter like the gentleman that we are. I ask you to consider what I have written and tell me your thoughts. If you would like me to publicly write all of this and further appologise, you need but say the word. In the hopes that we might clear the air, I am,
Yours,
David R. Litwin."